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PLANNING COMMISSION - CITY OF LA QUINTA
A Regular Meeting Held at the La Quinta
city Hall, 78-105 Calle Estado, La Quinta,
California
June 24, 2986 7:00 p.m.
1. CALL TO ORDER
- Chairman Thornburgh called the Planning Commission meeting to order
at 7:00 p.m.; he then led the flag salute.
2. ROLL CALL
A. Chairman Thornburgh requested the Roll Call; the Secretary
called the roll:
Present:Commissioners Brandt, De Gasperin, Moran, Walling,
and Chairman Thornburgh
Absent: None
Also present were Principal Planner Sandra L. Bonner and
Secretary Donna M. Velotta.
3. HEARINGS
Chairman Thornburgh introduced the first item of hearing as follows:
A. PUBLIC USE CASE NO. 86-003, Approval to expand an existing
private school from 35 to 150 students and to construct six
additional classrooms and one multi-purpose building; Marywood
Country Day School, Applicant. He then called for the Staff
Report.
1. Principal Planner Sandra Bonner informed the Commission
that this matter had been continued from the May 27 and
June 10 meetings. Once again, due to the estimated cost
of improvements required to the water system by CVWD for
this project, the Applicant has requested a continuance
to re-evaluate their application and decide whether to
proceed with their original or a modified proposal for the
expansion of the school, or to withdraw their request.
Therefore, it is Staff's recommendation that the hearing
be continued to July 22, 1986. The Applicant has agreed
with this one-month continuance. Also, because of the
length of time which this case has been continued, Staff
will re-notice the hearing to allow the adjacent property
owners an adequate opportunity to attend the July hearing.
This concluded Staff's report.
After a brief discussion, Chairman Thornburgh called for
a motion.
2. Commissioner Brandt made a motion, seconded by Commission
De Gasperin, to continue Public Use Case No. 86-003 to the
meeting of July 22, 1986. Unanimously Adopted.
Chairman Thornburgh introduced the next item of hearing as follows:
B. TENTATIVE TRACT NO. 21433, A request to subdivide approximately
40 acres into 82 single-family lots, 3 stormwater retention lots,
- and one (1), approximately 17-acre future development parcel;
Lewis Homes, Applicant. He called for the Staff Report.
1. Principal Planner Bonner informed the Commission that the
Applicant, Lewis Homes, is proposing to subdivide a 40-acre
site at Dune Palms and Miles Avenue, adjacent to the Indian
Springs area. They are proposing to create 82 single-family
lots, 3 stormwater retention lots, that will be later developed
with single-family homes, and they have left a 17-acre parcel
for future development which she pointed out on the wall
rendering submitted by the Applicant. The lot sizes range
from 7200 to 12,270 square feet, with the average size being
7200 to 7800 square feet. The density for the developed area
is 4.15 units per acre.
Ms. Bonner stated that a question brought up at the study
session was whether the area within private streets is
included in the lot size determination. The Zoning Ordinance
excludes any area that is used exclusively for access. In
this case then, it excludes any area in a public or private
street or if it were a flag lot, the one access strip leading
to the buildable area.
She stated that the Staff Report goes into detail regarding
compliance with the map of the General Plan. The map, as
proposed, is consistent with the General Plan provided that
several conditions are added.
Regarding the Hazards Element, Staff is recommending that the
developer comply with the areawide drainage plan that is
currently being developed and ready to be adopted for the area.
The Applicant will also be required to do a noise study for the
project.
Regarding the Community Development Element, the project is
consistent with the current designation of Medium Density
Residential that allows 4 to 8 units per acre. Regarding
the urban design aspect of this one element, currently the
plan does not provide for setbacks so the map will have to be
redesigned slightly to provide either a 10-foot setback along
Dune Palms and Miles Avenue, or if these two streets are up-
graded, which is currently being considered, the setback would
have to be increased to 20 feet.
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Regarding the Infrastructure Element, a major item of
discussion recently has been the designation of the streets.
Originally, Miles Avenue had a 100' right-of-way and under
the old General Plan, it was downgraded to an 88' Secondary
Arterial. We are currently reviewing the Circulation Plan
in that area and it appears that Miles Avenue will have to be
increased to a 100 to 110' right-of-way. This is due primarily
to the increase in traffic with the change in the land uses
when the General Plan was adopted and also the fact that we
have several requests for High Density Residential to the west
of this site.
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Ms. Bonner discussed some recommendations suggested by the
Community Development Director who was not present at this
meeting.
First, she referred to Item No. 8 under the Findings section
of the Staff Report. She noted that the Director proposes
that the Finding be rewritten to read as follows:
"The tract design does provide adequately for energy
conservation in accordance with the General Plan and
additional conservation measures, including building
orientation and design, will be reviewed at the time
that development plans are submitted."
Regarding the conditions of approval, Ms. Bonner first
referred to Condition No. 8, stating that the Applicant
disagrees with the City's requirement to require compliance
with our drainage plan. It is Staff's position that this
is a City standard required of other development in the City
and feel it is appropriate for this request. Therefore,
Staff is recommending that this condition be retained.
Condition No. 10.b. which refers to design standards for
private streets within the development, or for any streets
- within the development. The Applicant has stated that he
wants the width of the cul-de-sac streets reduced to 50'.
This is based on the Riverside County standard for restricted
cul-de-sacs. This is generally cul-de-sacs constructed in
areas where there is physical limitations to constructing a
full-width street. Staff is requesting that this standard
be kept at 60', although we would have no objection if it is
decreased to 56' in width as noted in the Staff Report.
Regarding Condition No. 11 discussing right-of-way widths
for Miles Avenue and Condition No. 12 which discusses right-
of-way widths for Dune Palms Road, the Director had an
opportunity to talk to Mr. John Lower of BSI, Inc., who is
the consultant doing the Circulation Study in the north side
of town. It is his opinion that the amount of traffic in the
area warrants that a minimum 100' wide (4 lanes of travel)
street be proposed. Based on this, the Director is recommending
that the language in Conditions 11 and 12 be retained; however,
Staff would have no objection if the 110' requirement be
decreased to 100' which would only affect the width of the
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median. So with respect to circulation, 100' would be
adequate.
Condition No. 13 addresses the requirement that the streets
remain private rather than be dedicated to the City. The
Applicant. has requested that the streets do be dedicated.
It is Staff's position that the streets do remain private
and that the Applicant form an assessment district for the
maintenance of the streets. Ms. Bonner advised the Commission
that if they do allow the streets to be dedicated, this
condition would be struck entirely.
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With regard to Condition No. 16, regarding landscape setbacks,
Staff is recommending an addition of subsection c. to read
as follows:
"A Lighting and Landscaping Maintenance Assessment District
shall be formed in order to maintain parkway landscaping
and lighting."
This is in response to comments brought up at the study
session about the problems other developments have had
where homeowner's associations would try to maintain land-
scaping over the course of the project.
Addressing Condition No. 17, Ms. Bonner stated that it is
related to a request by the Applicant for the' Commission to
make a commitment for two-story units and also for a commit-
ment of a specific density on the remaining 17-acre parcel
on the west side of the property. It is Staff's position
that the Commission not make any recommendation or commitment
on either height or density in either the Findings or the
Conditions of Approval of this report. Those items will be
discussed at the time the Applicant submits a revised tract
map on the development on the subdivided portion of this
project or a new tract map on the remaining 17-acre parcel.
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Moving along to Condition No. 18 which refers to Fire Marshal
requirements, there is an error which the Commission pointed
out at the study session with regard to the requirement of
"Standard" fire hydrants as noted in the report. Ms. Bonner
advised that she spoke with the City Fire Marshal this date
and "Super" fire hydrants will be required and the "Super
hydrants have a 4th outlet that is also 2-1/2". Therefore,
Condition No. 18a. and b. will be revised accordingly.
In Condition No. 24, the language will be changed to read:
"Desert or native plant species ..... shall be encouraged to
be incorporated into the landscaping plans for the site."
In accordance with these conditions of approval and the
Findings contained in the Staff Report, the Community
Development Department is recommending approval of this
request. This concluded Staff's report.
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Chairman Thornburgh made note of the fact that the
Applicant was made aware at the study session that on
July 8 there is a case coming before the Commission that
affects the property to the west of this site. At that
time, we should have a firm report from the traffic
consultant with regard to recommended street widths on
Dune Palms and Adams Street. So, after the July 8th
meeting, we can make a decision on what the streets will
be.
Commissioner De Gasperin: Brought up a question presented
- by the Applicant at the study session regarding Condition
No. 13 (public vs private streets). If we retain Condition
No. 13, can the Applicant suggest that the property line
go to the middle of the street.
Ms. Bonner replied that the R-1 Zone specifically excludes
consideration of any portion of a lot that is used exclusively
for access as part of the area for minimum lot size. So, yes,
he could technically have his lot line go to the centerline
and provide an easement for access over it, but you would not
be able to consider that area as part of the 7200 square foot
lot size.
There was further brief discussion regarding cul-de-sac
widths and the public vs private streets.
Chairman Thornburgh opened the public hearing at 7:22 p.m.
Bruce Wilcox (Representative of Lewis Homes), 81-824 Trader
Place, Indio, CA. - addressed the conditions with which the
Applicant had concerns (these were the same conditions
addressed by Principal Planner Bonner earlier).
Mary Stoltsman, Real EState Broker, spoke representing
property owners in the area of this site, requesting that
- the Commission look upon this request favorably.
Stan Morse, Morse Consulting Group, who is the engineer on
this project, spoke referring to Condition No. 10 regarding
cul-de-sac widths. He stated that if the County requirements
are not acceptable they would like to request that the 56'
right-of-way be allowed.
Bill Tackabery, Dune Palms, Inc., developer of proposed
project directly across the street from this site on Miles
Avenue, spoke in support of this project.
There being no further comments, Chairman Thornburgh closed
the public hearing at 7:27 p.m.
Chairman Thornburgh addressed the matter of the maintenance
district stating that he would try to sum up what the
Community Development Director said at the study session
with regard to this. The developers we have in La Quinta
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on projects that have been approved have all agreed to
this maintenance district on the drainage and we are trying
to go forward to accomplish this as soon as possible. The
most important thing that we can say, rather than put a
dollar figure to it today, is that you will be advised, you
will be aware, there will be hearings, there will be the
process that you will go through. If the figures are too
high in your opinion, you will have the opportunity to meet
with the Council and the Commission and appeal that. He
stated that he knows the Applicant needs a dollar figure,
but just now we do not have one. He recommended to Staff
that as soon as they get some figures, they be made available
to the Applicant.
Chairman Thornburgh asked the Commissioners' feelings on
the public vs. private streets.
Commissioner Walling: Favored public streets with regard
to this project.
Chairman Thornburgh: Favored public streets for this project,
but,.requested more research and background information be
provided by Staff for any future projects.
Commissioner Brandt: Favored public streets here, but would
also like more research done in future instances.
Commissioner De Gasperin: Agreed with other Commissioners
for the same reasons, plus a concern was raised at the study
session regarding precedence setting in future developments
north of Highway 111 with respect to other projects which
seem to be only condominium projects. This is the only
single-family project and therefore, I see a difference.
I do not want the world to believe we are setting precedent
for all property developments north of Highway 111 by indi-
cating this to be public streets because I see a difference
_ between this and condominium projects.
Commissioner Moran: Agreed with other Commissioners that
the streets should be public.
After a short discussion, it was the consensus of the
Commission to reduce the width of the cul-de-sac streets
to 56'.
Chairman Thornburgh requested comments from the Commissioners
regarding density averaging.
Commissioner Walling: Stated he felt the Applicant should
stick to the intentions of the General Plan.
Chairman Thornburgh: Stated he would have a problem with
having the Applicant go to the maximum of the General Plan
which is eight units per acre. He felt he would like to see
the design of the project before deciding.
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Commissioner Moran: Stated she agreed with Chairman
Thornburgh because when you are looking at a project this
size, she could not see any density shifting. Where when
you are looking at a parcel much larger and you can bring
in some Open space and have clusters, it is a little different
story. We do have a 7200-square-foot minimum lot size
requirement for our single-family sites, so the Applicant
could not really get more than 4 units per acre with that.
She stated that she personally does not want to have the
lots go any smaller than the 7200 square foot requirement.
_ Commissioner Brandt: Had no further comment.
Commissioner De Gasperin: Stated she would not be inclined
to support density averaging.
Commissioner De Gasperin wished to state, for the record,
that at the study session she had indicated concern that the
conditions of approval did not include some sort of support
for a traffic signal at Dune Palms Road and Highway 111
and/or support for the improvement of Dune Palms through the
wash. To this, Director Stevens answered that Dune Palms
was not designated in the 10-year plan for those sorts of
improvements and that is why there was no requests for
Infrastructure Fees. Therefore, her statement for the record
is that she is concerned about the circulation on Dune Palms
and the impact that this project will have on Dune Palms and
the fact that the City is not ready and able yet to accommodate
that.
During further discussion regarding a requirement for Lewis
Homes to contribute to improvements on Dune Palms Road at the
Whitewater River crossing, which would be consistent with the
condition placed on Tentative Tract Map No. 20016 located to
the north, the Planning Commission directed Staff to review
this requirement with the City Attorney and City Engineer to
_ determine if it is both fair and reasonable. Chairman Thornburgh
expressed the concern that requiring this contribution, in
addition to the payment of Infrastructure Fees, could be
"double hitting" the Applicant. Staff was further directed to
report their findings to the Planning Commission and the City
Council.
Questioned by Commissioner Walling, the Applicant advised
the Commission that they did plan to build on the lots, but
did not have a product developed at this time.
There being no further comments, Chairman Thornburgh called
for a motion.
2. Commissioner De Gasperin made a motion, seconded by Commissioner
Brandt, to approve Tentative Tract Map No. 21433 in accordance
with Exhibit "A" and subject to the attached conditions of
approval, as amended. Unanimously Adopted.
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4. CONSENT CALENDAR
Chairman Thornburgh introduced the Consent Calendar which consisted
of four requests for approval to construct single-family homes. After
discussion of a couple of minor changes in the conditions of approval
for Items A and B, he called for a motion.
Commissioner Brandt made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Moran,
to approve Items A through D of the Consent Calendar. Unanimously
Adopted.
- 5. BUSINESS
Chairman Thornburgh introduced the first item of business as follows:
A. MINOR CHANGE TO PUBLIC USE CASE NO. 84-001, A request for approval
to redesign the assembly building at the Family Heritage Church
of the Valley located at the northwest corner of Miles Avenue and
Adams Street; Family Heritage Church of the Valley, Applicant.
(Continued). He then called for the Staff Report.
1. Principal Planner Bonner advised the Commission that the
Applicant is requesting that'the approved design for the
assembly building be modified. Their main concern is to
reduce the cost so that they can continue construction and
finish the church. She referred the Commission to the two
alternative design renderings. One alternative is a combina-
tion parapet wall with a mansard and the mansard would have
concrete or clay tile on it. This would match the concrete
tile on both the classrooms and also the first story of this
building. The second alternative is to simply have a parapet
wall around the entire roof of the building and then to provide
a color band on it. Staff's main concern is not so much the
appearance, at the north and south ends of the buildings shown
in the elevations, but that of the elevation along the longer
east and west sides of the building where the second story is
140 feet long. The height of the building cannot be lowered
any further because it will be a gymnasium. Therefore, Staff
is recommending that as a modification to the design that the
mansard type style be approved, and in addition, a condition
be added so that the Applicant would provide some additional
design treatment on the second story of the buildings, which
could include more windows or some sort of relief on the walls
in order to break apart .the long, flat wall. Ms. Bonner
advised the Commission that Staff is recommending approval of
this matter in accordance with Exhibit B, the floor plan
submitted to you previously, and Exhibit C which is the mansard
roof design, and subject to the conditions including the addi-
tion of the request for additional design treatment on the
second-story walls.
As the Applicant had a representative present, Chairman Thornburgh
invited him to speak.
Bill Rossworn, Superintendent of the Project since its
inception, spoke in favor of the change, stating that
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they liked both of the alternatives, but until they get
their cost of construction, they could not choose any
one particular design. However, they would like to be
able to do either Exhibit A or B when the time comes.
Chairman Thornburgh advised Mr. Rossworn that the Commission
would have to make a decision tonight of one or the other, and
reiterated that Staff has recommended Exhibit B which is the
mansard style roof.
During the discussion, the Applicant was advised that he still
had the option of returning to the original approved design
should the monies become available. He would not lose that option
as a result of tonight's decision.
There being no further discussion, Chairman Thornburgh called for
a motion.
2. Commissioner Moran made a motion, seconded by Commissioner
Walling, to approve the minor change to Public Use Case No.
84-001 in accordance with Exhibits B and C, as amended, and
with the mansard style roof as an alternative to the original
elevations, and subject to the conditions of approval.
Unanimously Adopted.
Chairman Thornburgh introduced the last item of business as follows:
B. FIRST EXTENSION OF TIME - TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 20016, Approval
of a one-year extension of time in which to file a final map;
Dune Palms, Inc., Applicant. He called for the Staff Report.
1. Principal Planner Bonner informed the Commission that the
Applicant agrees with the conditions of approval as proposed.
The only matter that is up for discussion is the possibility
of the smaller streets, where there is a 24' width, to be
widened to 28' per Staff's recommendation. This would involve
having to relocate the building pads of which there is a sub-
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stantial number. Therefore, Staff will contact the City Engineer
for discussion on this matter. This concern was raised by the
Applicant today, so we did not have an opportunity to prepare a
response. The Applicant is willing to stand by the conditions
as proposed for forwarding on to the City Council and Staff will
discuss this with the City Engineer and the Community Development
Director in the meantime. Staff is recommending approval of
the request for extension of time in accordance with the Findings
and subject to the conditions of approval as proposed.
There being no discussion, Chairman Thornburgh called for a motion.
2. Commissioner De Gasperin made a motion, seconded by Commissioner
Brandt, to approve the first extension of time for Tentative
Tract Map No. 20016 to July 18, 1987, based upon the above
Findings and subject to the conditions of approval as proposed.
Unanimously Adopted.
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6. ADJOURNMENT
There being no further items of agenda to come before the Planning
Commission, Chairman Thornburgh called for a motion to adjourn.
Commissioner De Gasperin made a motion, seconded by Commissioner
Moran, to adjourn to the next regular meeting of the Planning
Commission to be held on July 8, 1986, at 7:00 p.m., in the La Quinta
City Hall, 78-105 Calle Estado, La Quinta, California.
The regular meeting of the Planning Commission of the City of La Quinta,
California, was adjourned at 8:21 p.m., June 24, 1986, in the La Quinta
City Hall, 78-105 Calle Estado, La Quinta, California.
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