1994 01 10 CSC Minutes
cl..MUNITY SERVICES COMMISSII
MINUTES
JANUARY 10,1994
. CALL TO ORDER
~ regular meeting of the Community Services Commission was called to order at 7:00 p.m. in
he La Quinta Civic Center Council Chambers. Chairman Best presiding. Pledge of Allegiance
was led by the Chairman.
ROLL CALL:
MEMBERS PRESENT: Commissioner Norris Bernard
Commissioner Lawrence Best (Chairman)
Commissioner Aldine Dickens
Commissioner Susan Francis
Commissioner Nancy Nard
Commissioner B.J. Seaton (Vice Chairwoman)
MEMBERS ABSENT: One Vacancy
STAFF PRESENT: Clint Bohlen, Parks & Recreation Director
Cristal Spidell, Secretary II
t was moved by Commissioner Seaton/Nard to excuse Commissioner Dickens and
::ommissioner Francis from the meeting of December 20, 1993.
I. CONFIRMATION OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
It was moved by Commissioner Francis/Nard to APPROVE the minutes of December 13,1993
as submitted.
It was moved by Commissioner Nard/Francis to APPROVE the minutes of December 20,1993
as submitted.
IV. ANNOUNCEMENTS
A. City offices are closed January 17, 1994 due to Martin Luther King, Jr.'s Birthday
B. Chamber Mixer - January 26,1994 at 5:30 P.M. at the La Quinta Auto Club
C. New Leaf awards will be presented during the first CSC meeting in March, 1994.
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f. PUBLIC COMMENT
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fl. CORRESPONDENCE AND WRITTEN MATERIALS
t CAPRCBM 1994 CPRS Conference Information received and filed.
fll. STAFF REPORTS
t Tennis Court Lights
;taff updated the Commission on the status of the lighting repairs on courts 1-4 at Fritz Burns
)ark. A Change Order in the amount of $1 ,300 was submitted by AZ-Tech Electric to replace
iOO feet of conduit which was broken and filled with sand. The tennis court light repairs are
lxpected to be finished Wednesday, January 12, 1994.
~n open invitation for the public to play tennis January 15, 1994 under the lights has been
llanned. The evening will consist of prizes, refreshments, testing service speeds with a radar
lun, etc. Chairman Best inquired if an increase in use of the courts is expected and if the
;heriff Department was aware of the lights being on until 1 0:00 p.m.. Staff expects an increase
n night time use. It is expected that two courts will be used constantly by two area
lrofessionals, and the remaining two will be left open for the public. Staff will notify the Sheriff's
)epartment of the night time use.
fill. COMMISSION BUSINESS
~. Fritz Burns Park Forum
;taff gave a brief overview of the history of Fritz Burns Park, including the work with T.!.
vlaloney who completed a Master Plan in 1992. The Master Plan broke the park construction
Jp into four phases. This fiscal year's budget includes the development of Phase One, which
'esulted in the hiring of BSI Consultants, Inc. to complete construction drawings for the park site
md to provide construction management services. Staff informed those present that Keith
=!attay, of BSI Consultants, Inc. was present to assist in conducting an informational forum. The
'orum is based on technical information, and recreation professionals have been invited to
speak.
Keith Rattay, BSI Consultants, Inc. - Mr. Rattay distributed and reviewed a questionnaire to
all people in attendance. The questionnaire was accepted for the record (Attachment 1). The
)asis for the questionnaire was the need for technical information and input from individuals to
)e used by the Parks & Recreation Director and BSI Consultants for making decisions about
several issues such as the filtration system, scheduling programs, safety features, ample space
lor programs, office space, deck construction, electrical outlet placement, equipment selection,
'im flow versus deep gutter, maintenance, slides, diving boards, lifeguard stands, equipment
storage, etc.
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~cott Farrell, Aquatic Desl Group - Aquatic Design Group" designed 350 of this type
If facility and has never designed the same pool twice. Aquatic Design Group proposes to
ipecify high grade commercial equipment throughout the construction of the pool. By doing this
t will minimize maintenance costs, and limit down time of the pool. Those items would include
I high rate sand filtration system, an automatic backwashing capability, natural gas pool heater,
md an automated chemical controller, unless instructed otherwise.
l\Iith a high rate sand filtration system the filter media is low maintenance. Once the filter is full
If sand it remains in place up to 20 years without having to be changed versus the Vacuum D.E.
=i1tration System which requires the filter media be changed on a weekly basis.
rhe automatic backwashing capability removes the human error that would typically be in the
i1tration systems, much less water is used during automatic backwashing versus maintenance
lersonnel backwashing because it is done automatically, without supervision, and on an
Is-needed basis.
~ natural gas heater is suggested versus solar or co-generation. Cost in the long run is less
with gas, and it is easier to control temperatures.
~utomated Chemical Controller is state of the art equipment which takes all the guess work out
If chemical applications to the pool. The Controller needs to be checked once daily to insure
I is working properly versus having a maintenance person test chemicals 3-4 times a day which
s required for the pool.
vir. Farrell addressed competitive swimming, and 25 Yard versus 25 Meter swimming due to
lossible outside group use of the facility. The National Federation at State High Schools still
lwim 25 yards, but US Swimming swims at 25 Meters. The pool size needs to be fixed so that
he racing lanes can be determined, as well as lane width being determined. Square footage
,md depth of the pool is necessary to determine the size of filtration required.
rhe wading pool would be 12" to 18" in depth, and require its own filtration system.
rhe Riverside County Health Department would like to see the slide enter into its own pool
Nhich could be secured by a lifeguard. A typical slide would require a lifeguard at the top of the
slide to assist people onto the slide, and one on the bottom. The County would like to see a
jedicated slide pool. Depths and configurations are required for these type of slide pools, and
they cannot send a second slider down the slide until the previous slider has exited the pool.
The plans need to address how to exit someone out of the large pool without the use of steps.
A slide pool requires a 45 minute turn over of water volume, and the large pool requires a six
hour turn over of water according to the Health Department. Mr. Farrell discussed the options
the Health Department gave him in order to provide a slide pool area. If a separate slide pool
area is constructed it would increase the cost by no more than $1 ,000.
The choice of deep gutter verse rim flow gutter was discussed by Mr. Farrell. The Rim Flow is
most typical, causes a slight increase in splash out, is aesthetically pleasing, and is widely usee
in recreational swimming because it makes entering and exiting the pool easier for children
senior citizens, and handicapped individuals. The Deep Flow is normally used for competitive
swimming pools for less back splash when making turns.
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-landicap accessibility also .dS addressed. Options are rampAairs, and a variety of other
echniques for entering and exiting the pool.
Um Ducatte & Gretchen Perez, La Qulnta Boys & Girls Club - Senior population needs
Iddressed. Need a "Learn to Swim" program as well as recreational swimming. Due to
ncrease in manpower the slide is not a good idea.
;erry Hundt, YMCA of the Desert - Recreational swimming for summer time camp is
mportant. Need adequate area for swimming classes, water exercising for adults and seniors.
~amps are necessary for handicap accessibility. Recreation swimming is important, however
lesigning pool for competition is not necessary. Recommends lockers made of metal. Don't
lkimp on chemical needs. A pool cover will save money. Water slides are not as risky as diving
loards, and they are more fun for the kids, however they would require another filter system.
)oes not like childrens pool area due to manpower required, and it gets dirty very easy. Prefers
'im flow gutters because it safer for kids, and looks nicer.
rracy McFarland, Piranha Swim Coach (former Olympic swimmer) - Rim flow gutter is
letter, safer, one gutter or the other does not make much difference in competition swimming.
vis McFarland suggests a minimum of 8 lanes, and a 25 Meter by 25 Yard L-shaped pool. Pool
lovers do keep water warmer, and the cost is approximately $30,000. The person responsible
or covering the pool is the last ones out of the pool.
\IIarla Neatherton, Consultant to Palm Desert Aquatics programs & YMCA - Prefers the 25
vleter by 25 Yard pool. No need for strict guidelines with competitive swimming since the new
_a Quinta High School will handle this area. Ms. Neatherton submitted for the record a
statement from Shawn Rodrigues regarding considerations for the pool at Fritz Burns Park
:Attachment 2).
Jim Collins, 82-490 Requa Avenue, #216A, Indio - A ramp, slide or lift is required to get into
:he pool. It is hazardous for seniors and handicapped individuals to "slide into the pool" off the
'im gutter. Attention to handicap accessibility is important from the showers, locker room,
surrounding facilities, etc.
::ommissioner Seaton asked if the slide has to stay, as she is worried about manpower and
money involved to justify it. Pool should be recreational in nature as opposed to professional.
::ommissioner Dickens suggested that more toilets be available in the women's restroom/locker
area. Commissioner Best agreed with this suggestion and asked who else will be receiving the
questionnaire on staff. Commissioner Nard asked whether the Arts in Public Places Committee
should be given the questionnaire. Staff will distribute the questionnaire as necessary.
Keith Rattay asked that questionnaires be mailed to his office at everyone's earliest convenience.
B. Work Plan of CSC
No changes were made on the Work Plan which is to be submitted to Council.
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;. Joint Meeting with City 8lncil and Community Services CO.ission
rhe Community Services Commission will meet at 6:00 P.M. in the Study Session Room for its
egular meeting. The Commission will recess and reconvene in the Council Chambers for a
loint Meeting with the City Council at 7:00 P.M. The topics of discussion will be 1) Creation of
I Cultural Affairs Commission, 2) Consideration of the Future Status of the Community Services
;ommission, and 3) Community Services Commission Work Plan. The Commission will recess
md reconvene in the Study Session Room at 8:00 P.M.
X. NEXT MEETING DATE, TIME AND TOPIC
lanuary 24, 1994 at 6:00 P.M.
_a Quinta Civic Center Study Session Room & Council Chambers
Joint Meeting with City Council
. Cultural Affairs Commission
. Future of Community Services Commission
. Work Plan
(. ADJOURNMENT
t was moved by Commissioner Seaton/Nard to adjourn the meeting to the next regularly
lcheduled Community Services Meeting on January 24, 1994. Motion carried unanimously.
vleeting adjourned at 8:42 p.m..
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AT~CHMENT 1
City of La Quinta
Fritz Burns Park
Aquatics Center
Questionnaire
Public Input Meeting
January 10, 1994
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2001 E. 1 st Street
Santa Ana, CA 92705
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Please Note: The City may wish to contact you or your organization for clarification for
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Please indicate what type of activity your group will be participating in and/or programs you
would like to see at the Aquatics Center.
Aquatics Center Programming
Pro~ram
Instruction of Swimmers
Instruction of Non-Swimmers
Recreation Swimming
Competitive Swimming
Synchronized Swimming
Water Polo
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Skin and Scuba Diving
Physically Challenged Instruction
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Does your group or organization require any of the following items?
Office Space (state reason and size required)
Classrooms (state reason and size required)
Exterior Deck Instruction Space (state reason and size required)
Equipment (Le. diving boards, starting platforms, racing lines, water polo goals, timing
system, award display cases, instructional chalk board, etc.)
Underwater Sound System (state reason)
Spectator Seating (state reason and projected number of spectators)
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Team Benches on Deck (state number of benches required or number of individuals)
Electrical Outlets (state reason and preferred location)
Any Special Needs or Requirements
Other
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Building, Pool, and Landscape design
There are limited funds available for the construction of the building. The building will be a
maximum of 3,700 square feet and will be composed of the following:
. Men's and Women's Restrooms (per Riverside County Health Department
requirements)
11 showers (total)
12 lavatories (total)
5 toilets (women's)
4 toilets (men's)
4 urinals (men's)
. Men's and Women's Changing Rooms
. Concession Room (for pre-packaged food only)
· Staff/Lifeguard Offices
. Storage (Note: there will be planned storage in other buildings on the site)
· Electrical Equipment
. (3) Drinking Fountains
Do you consider storage space in the main building a high priority, moderate priority, or low
priority? Why?
Do you consider the concession area in the main building a high priority, moderate priority,
or low priority? Why?
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Do you consider staffllifeguard office space in the main building a high priority, moderate
priority, or low priority? Why?
In order to maximize space within the building, would you consider the following items
acceptable or unacceptable?
Item
Acceotable
Unacceo.table
Exterior Showers (a portion of requirement)
Exterior Day Use Lockable Storage
If unacceptable, please explain:
Are there any particular colors you would like to see incorporated into the design of the
building or site amenities (state reason)
Are there any accessible design features that could be incorporated into the design at
relatively low cost to enhance the experience for all facility users
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We are proposing the deck finish for the concrete around the pool be alternating patterns of
broom finish and acid wash finish concrete (any comments or suggestions)
We are proposing that the lifeguard stands are portable (not fixed in place) in order to
accommodate a variety of events and activities (comments)
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The Fritz Bums Park Aquatics Complex could utilize the following types of equipment:
Tyoe of Eouipment
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1. High Rate Sand Filtration System
2. Vacuum D.E. Filtration System
3. Vacuum San Filtration System
4. Automatic Backwashing Capability
5. Natural Gas Pool Heaters
6. Co-generation
7. Solar
8. Liquid Chlorination (sodium hypochlorite)
9. Ozone/Bromine Alternative Oxidant
10. Muriatic Acid for PH Control
11. Carbon Dioxide CO2 for PH Control
12. Automated Chemical Controller
13. Type
Pool Ed~es
There are two types of pool edging that could be used for the main pool; Rim flow or Deep
Gutter (see attached graphics). Please choose the type you prefer and explain why.
The slide receiving pool will have a cantilevered concrete edge (see attached graphic).
Please express your comments, if any.
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Aquatic Sports Network
PO Box 610
Palm Desert, CA 92261
619,568-4448
CONSIDERRTIONS FOR LR QUINTR CITY POOL
In considering the running of a multi-faceted aquatic program at this facility it will
need to be designed for efficiency and productivity. The ideal pool can house a
multitude of programs such as swimming lessons, classes for the physically
challenged, swim team practices and competitions, lap swimming, synchronized
swimming and aqua aerobics. There are a few key elements for each of the
programs needs to be met. They are as follows:
Swimming lessons and classes for the physically challenged: An entrance
with steps (or a graded entrance) to make the child, adult or physically challenge
individual feel comfortable and in control of their environment is necessary. A
teaching pool where the depth ranges from 3-5 feet is usually ideal.
Aqua aerobics: The above mentioned instructional area would serve well for
aqua aerobics, However it is ideal to also have a deep area, of at least 7 feet,
adjoining the shallow area in order to include a deep water aerobic portion during
the class.
Synchronized swimming: My knowledge in this area is limited. I do know that
in order to teach synchronized swimming effectively the pool needs to have a
section that is at least 9 feet in depth.
Swim team practice and competitions: Details given by Maria Neatherton,
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