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2004 10 21 HPC Minutes MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING A Regular meeting held at the La Ouinta City Hall Session Room 78-495 Calle Tampico, La Ouinta, CA October 21, 2004 This meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission was called to order by Commissioner Robert Wright at 3:03 p.m. who led the flag salute and asked for the roll call. Chairman Allan Wilbur was delayed. I. CALL TO ORDER A. Pledge of Allegiance. B. Roll Call. Present: Commissioners Puente, Sharp, Wright, and Chairman Wilbur Absent: It was moved and seconded by Commissioners Puente and Sharp to excuse Commissioner Mouriquand. Unanimously approved. Staff Present: Principal Planner Stan Sawa, and Secretary Carolyn Walker. II. PUBLIC COMMENT: None III. CONFIRMATION OF THE AGENDA IV. CONSENT CALENDAR: It was moved and seconded by Commissioners Puente and Sharp to approve the minutes of September 16, 2004 as submitted. Unanimously approved. V. BUSINESS ITEMS: A. Results of the Cultural Resources and Paleontological Resources Monitoring Programs for Mountain View Country Club. Applicant: Toll Brothers Archaeological Consultant: LSA Associates Location: North of Avenue 52 and east of Jefferson Street within Mountain View Country Club. P:\CAROl YN\Hist Pres Com\HPC 1 Q-21-Q4.doc Historic Preservation Commission October 21, 2004 1. Principal Planner Stan Sawa presented the information contained in the staff report, a copy of which is on file in the Community Development Department. 2. Commissioner Puente complimented the consultant on the report and the information in Appendix D. She suggested the Commissioners keep this report as a reference for future use. She concurred with staff recommendations. 3. Commissioner Sharp approved of the presentation, stated it was very well done, and he had no further comments. 4. Commissioner Wright state this was one of the finest reports ever received from the standpoint of the report being complete, especially the artifacts. He concurred with the staff's recommendations. 5. It was moved and seconded by Commissioners Puente and Sharp to adopt Minute Motion 2004-030 approving the Cultural Resources Monitoring Program as submitted. Unanimously approved. 6. It was moved and seconded by Commissioners Puente and Sharp to adopt Minute Motion 2004-031 approving the Paleontological Resources Monitoring Program as submitted. Unanimously approved. B. Historical/Archaeological Resources Survey Report for Griffin Ranch Project Applicant: Trans West Housing, Inc. Archaeological Consultant: CRM TECH (Michael Hogan, Principal) Location: Southeast corner of Madison Street and Avenue 54. 1. Principal Planner Stan Sawa presented contained in the staff report, a copy of which Community Development Department. the information is on file in the 2. Michael Hogan, Principal of CRM TECH was introduced and said this was a fairly typical site. He stated they did the testing of the site and are in the process of doing an analysis of the artifacts for the interim report. P:\CAROL YN\Hist Pres Com\HPC 10-21-04.doc 2 Historic Preservation Commission October 21, 2004 3. Commissioner Puente asked what the chances were of finding any more isolets. Mr. Hogan replied they were good and monitoring was recommended. Commissioner Puente asked for a definition of Contextual Integrity. Mr. Hogan replied everything found is taken in context. They look at the whole of what's been found to see if further information can be determined. They also look at isolates which can be historic resources. 4. Commissioner Puente asked if the local tribes had been contacted. Commissioner Wright replied this subject is currently under advisement. Staff commented the matter would be taken to the Council in November. Mr. Hogan said they had no problem with contacting the local tribes as they are used to this procedure as part of the processing of Federal projects. Mr. Hogan said they would try to do that even for the testing. 5. Commissioner Wright added he did not have any problems with the report or its recommendations. 6. Mr. Rod Rimmer of Transwest Housing introduced himself and asked if he would need to attend any additional Commission meetings. Staff explained the procedures. 7. It was moved and seconded by Commissioners Puente and Sharp to adopt Minute Motion 2004-032 accepting the Historical/Archaeological Resources Survey as submitted. Unanimously approved. C. Historical/Archaeological Resources Survey Report Applicant: NO La Quinta Partners, LLC Archaeological Consultant: CRM TECH (Michael Hogan, Principal) Location: South side of Avenue 52, east of Madison Street 1. Principal Planner Stan Saw a presented the information contained in the staff report, a copy of which is on file in the Community Development Department. P:\CAROl YN\Hist Pres Com\HPC lQ-21-04.doc 3 Historic Preservation Commission October 21, 2004 2. The applicant, John Gamlin, Vice President NO La Guinta Partners, introduced himself and offered to answer the Commissioner's questions. 3. Commissioner Sharp asked if the house on the property was going to be demolished. Mr. Gamlin replied it was. 4. Commissioner Wright asked if this was the only house on the property of significance. He requested the applicant provide photo documentation for the City's Historic Records Survey. Staff replied it was possible. CRM TECH would be responsible for providing the photographs. Commissioner Wright suggested they take a number of photos to be included in the report to maintain a photographic record of the structures. Mr. Hogan asked about the type of photo format and staff gave him the particulars of what was needed. Commissioner Wright explained the Commission did not approve a project of this type without monitoring and documentation. 5. Staff asked if Commissioner Wright wanted this done before grading. The Commissioner asked that it done before the building was demolished. 6. Commissioner Wright asked Mr. Gamlin if he had any comments regarding this documentation. Mr. Gamlin did not. Commissioner Wright noted this structure was not included in the City's Historic Records Survey. 7. It was moved and seconded by Commissioners Puente and Sharp to adopt Minute Motion 2004-033 accepting the Historical/Archaeological Resources Survey Report with the following recommendation: a. The final report shall contain written documentation of the 50-year old structure on the property. Photo documentation of the structure will be done in black-and- white, archival quality photography. Unanimously approved. P:\CAROLYN\Hist Pres Com\HPC 10~21~04.doc 4 Historic Preservation Commission October 21, 2004 Addendum Archaeological Studies for The Hideaway Applicant: NO La Quinta Partners, LLC Archaeologist Consultant: McKenna et al Location: Avenue 53, between Madison Street and Monroe Street in the future Hideaway project site. 1. Principal Planner Stan Sawa presented the information contained in the staff report, a copy of which is on file in the Community Development Department. 2. Commissioner Puente concurred with staff's recommendations and said the report was well done and very interesting. 3. Commissioners Sharp, Wright and Chairman Wilbur concurred with staff's recommendations 4. It was moved and seconded by Commissioners Wilbur and Sharp to adopt Minute Motion 2004-034 accepting the Addendum Archaeological Study as submitted. Unanimously approved D. Historical/Archaeological Resources Survey Report for Tentative Tract Map 32848. Applicant: MDS Consulting for Richard Hughes Archaeological Consultant: CRM TECH (Michael Hogan, Principal) Location: North side of Avenue 60, west of Madison Street 1. Principal Planner Stan Sawa presented . contained in the staff report, a copy of which Community Development Department. the information is on file in the 2. Michael Hogan, Principal, CRM TECH informed the Commission he found three isolated shards when they did the survey. He commented this area was highly sensitive. 3. Commissioner Wright asked if it was close to the baseline of the Cahuilla shoreline. Mr. Hogan replied it was very close. 4. Commissioners Puente and Sharp concurred with staff's recommendations P:\CAROLYN\Hist Pres Com\HPC 10-21-Q4.doc 5 Historic Preservation Commission October 21, 2004 5. Chairman Wilbur asked why the monitoring was spaced 15 meters apart in this report as compared to 10 meters in other reports. He asked if there was a specific standard, Staff was unaware of any specific standard and stated ten meters is used in most submitted surveys. He deferred to Mr. Hogan on this question. 6. Michael Hogan, Principal CRM TECH said he was surprised to hear 10 meters was a standard and there was nothing written as to what professional standards were. He added the BLM recommends intensive level survey 15 to 20 meters. He thought 15 meters was still the recommended professional standard, 7. Commissioner Wilbur asked Mr. Hogan if there was a written standard for on-foot surveys, He asked if there was anything in the literature, training or recommendations to archaeologists that specify a standard amount, 8. Commissioner Wright suggested this matter be brought up at the next meeting when possibly Commissioner Mouriquand would be available. Staff replied Commissioner Mouriquand uses 10 meters in her surveys, but they have seen both distances used. 9. Commissioner Wright asked if Mr. Hogan could get a good sampling at 15 meters. Mr. Hogan replied he could. 10. Commissioner Wright stated he would hate to go any further apart than 15 meters apart. Staff replied if you're walking slowly enough and looking 15 meters should be adequate. 11. Commissioner Wright asked Mr. Hogan if it mattered more if it was a really rich site; would he then change this to a 10 meter sampling. Mr. Hogan replied once an artifact is found, the surveyors stop and look intensively in that area. He added they would also take into consideration the density of the vegetation. 12. Chairman Wilbur said the subject keeps coming up and suggested there should be further discussion. Staff suggested this be scheduled for a future meeting. P:\CAROL YN\Hist Pres Com\HPC 1 Q-21-04.doc 6 Historic Preservation Commission October 21, 2004 13, Commissioner Wright and Chairman Wilbur concurred with the report including staff's recommendations. 14. It was moved and seconded by Commissioners Sharp and Wilbur to adopt Minute Motion 2004-035 accepting the Historical/Archaeological Resources Survey Report as submitted. Unanimously approved Paleontological Resources Survey Report for Tentative Tract M~ 32848. Applicant: MDS Consulting for Richard Hughes Archaeological Consultant: CRM TECH (Michael Hogan, Principal) Location: North side of Avenue 60, west of Madison Street 1 . Principal Planner Stan Sawa presented the information contained in the staff report, a copy of which is on file in the Community Development Department. 2. Michael Hogan, Principal CRM TECH said he had a chance to look at the map. This property is about 40 feet away from the Ancient Lake Cahuilla shoreline and it does have freshwater mollusks. 3. Chairman Wilbur asked if the recommendations stated in the report would take care of collecting all the valuable lakeside and near lakeside materials. Staff replied it would. They would collect a representative amount of them. 4. Commissioner Wright commented it will be nice when the City's Museum is built to house all these artifacts. 5. Mr. Hogan commented it was interesting to see the concentration of the different shells and their environments. 6. Chairman Wilbur concurred with the report and appreciated the reference section. 7. Commissioner Wright had no problem with the report and agreed with the conditions listed. P:\CAROLYN\Hist Pres Com\HPC 10-21-04.doc 7 Historic Preservation Commission October 21, 2004 8. It was moved and seconded by Commissioners Puente and Sharp to adopt Minute Motion 2004-036 accepting the Paleontological Resources Survey as submitted. Unanimously approved VI. CORRESPONDENCE AND WRITTEN MATERIAL: A. Commissioners were given a copy of Senate Bill 18 as noted in the minutes of September 16, 2004. Staff commented they had no updates on whether the bill had been adopted or vetoed. The Commissioners agreed this was a very good Bill and hoped it would be adopted. VII. COMMISSIONER ITEMS: A. Commissioner Puente asked if staff had reviewed the list of items for discussion she had submitted. Staff replied they were reviewing it. B. Chairman Wilbur said a matter was brought up at the last Joint Meeting with the City Council where there were serious concerns about the adoption of a paragraph relating to notification of the Indian Tribes. He asked if there was any feedback from the Council. Staff replied it will be going back to Council in November. Chairman Wilbur asked if this was regarding the re-wording of the recommendations. Staff replied yes. VIII. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business, it was moved and seconded by Commissioners Sharp and Puente to adjourn this Regular Meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission to the next Regular Meeting to be held on November 18, 2004. This meeting of the Historical Preservation Commission was adjourned at 3:45 p.m. Unanimously approved. Submitted by: ~k~ Secretary P:\CAROL YN\Hist Pres Com\HPC 1 Q-21-04.doc 8